I'm not sure about the final. What about playing four rounds and count then the results without playing a final?

Another question: What deck would represent the nation in the final? Does the team choose one of the already played? Played again by the same player? (Most likely I guess, but not mandatory.)

We could count only the two best results of the three players, using the score of the third to settle ties. So if you start in a team with only two players you still have a chance.

First of all: this is "just" a side event for Friday. If anyone dont vant or cannot attend still can attend to Last Chance Qualifier with 150 participants.

Nations' Cup without a final: yes this is an option but i think the final is a dramatic end which is needed in a Cup but yes it is an option. (trying to stick to the regular constructed tournaments: there will be a final.)

3-4 players with top scoring 2 counted: good idea, thank you! Why 4 and not 3 or 5?

deck played in the final: not decided yet. Simplest way to stick the deck to the player. And also by trying to stick to the regular constructed tournaments.

sanctioned or not: i will ask Johannes and come back with the answer. We will try to make as few modifications
to the regular constructed tournaments as possible.
cheers

milcsix wrote:


I was not so clear. I meant take those pots of 10 teams each and create the standard number of V:TES tables with them, in this case 2 tables of 5. It would be sort of like running 3 simultaneous mini-tournaments. If the pot size were 8, 9 or 12, then use Archon for those size tournaments.

I suggested cross-pot play so that there would be fewer opportunities for players to face each other in rounds 2 and 3, though X1 could still face X4, etc.

When determining the final standings, only the top scoring team from each country would be considered. In my example, if both Finnish teams earned 3x GWs and were best in their respective pots, then only the best one would qualify them for the final and the country placing 6th overall would get a bid. The Finnish delegation could then decide which individual participates in the final in accordance with the other Nations Cup rules.

I still am not explaining this right.

Each pot would be run as a separate tournament consisting of 3 mini tournaments. This allows for multiple teams from a single country.

Within a pot of size 10, run 3 simultaneous tournaments of size 10 players. This makes it easier to track people within the Archon and minimizes "magic" needed.

In each subsequent round, rotate the teammates across the mini-tournaments. This is the actual mechanism to avoid teammates playing against each other within a pod.

OK I think we should come back to this "Archon magic" issue later when all other issues are done. I will contact you Jeff Kuta for more clarification if you don't mind.

Archon seating is not an actual requirement for santioned tournaments, afaik. And random seating is not a requirement, seeing how the archon is not random. The finals would probably not fit requirements, but you can enter the preliminaries as a 3r (no finals) tournament and play the nation's cup finals unsanctioned.

Jeff Kuta wrote:

YES!
Fisticuffs at twilight!

Saunan takana on vielä tilaa!

Xaddam wrote:
The rule is:

"The judge will group players randomly and impartially, using prepared index cards, a computerized system for generating random groupings, or another impartial randomizing method. Regardless of the method used, the players are to be grouped randomly and impartially, without regard to the identities of the players behind the numbers (or cards or other method used to designate players in the system) and without regard to any personal relationship between the players or personal disposition of any player toward another. Use of the optimal seating chart, found in The Archon tournament tracking spreadsheet, is encouraged."

And random seating is not a requirement, seeing how the archon is not random.[/quote]This has been argued before, and the result was that The Archon's seating charts were (re)defined as "optimal". Which, if you are a competent T.O., they are, certainly enough to fit under the definition of "randomly and impartially". But if you have memorized that entire tab, you are a god.

Hi guys

2 news about the Nations' Cup:

1. The VEKN is willing to sancition it if the players are welcoming the idea.
2. So please answer a new poll about the Nations' Cup:

vekn.net/index.php/forum/40-polling-foru...or-friday-poll#31213

Thanks: Milan