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Deck Build Lecture during the EC 2011?

#9874 10 Sep 2011 11:38
During the upcoming European VtES Championship 2011 in Warsaw, there's the possibility that the Swedish national coordinator, Isak Esbjörnsson Bjärmark, will give a lecture about Swedish (and maybe more) deck building. But since the schedule during the EC from Friday to Sunday is so tight, the organizers need to know if someone is interested in such a lecture on Thursday (and when).

So if you plan attending the EC this year, please vote on this poll!
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#9875 10 Sep 2011 11:47
Sometime in the afternoon, I guess.
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#9886 10 Sep 2011 15:58
I can't imagine what this would cover.

Would it have hand-outs?

PowerPoints?

Would it cover existing theories?
www.thelasombra.com/deck-building-theories.htm

Would it cover something completely new?
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#9889 10 Sep 2011 16:07
OK, here's what I expect from such a lecture.

A/ It's given by some of the best players around, so I do expect high level discussions. Not that I don't want Blood Doll vs Vessel stuff, but rather a generic description of what they think the proprtions of a deck should be (how much defense? how much offense? number of non-cyclable action modifiers, ...)

B/ Description of the tests validating a deck. How much, how often, which opponents, ..

C/ Something about the Girls. The Swedes "invented" it, at least were the best with it last year in Paris. The different versions (bleed, vote, combat), pros and cons of each, ..

D/ Metagame analysis - what to expect at EC / post EC

E/ How to oust Erik.
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#9890 10 Sep 2011 16:14
Something like this?


or more like this?


or this?
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#9891 10 Sep 2011 16:17
Pascal nailed it for! Thank you!

Points A through C is what I have in mind. Points D and E might be discussed slightly.

I'll try to keep it interesting and high level discussion (since this will take place at the EC some of the best of the best will attend).

If there's possbile to have a power point presentation at the venue I'll proably go ahead and use that.

And also, I think it is good have a ongoing debate/discussion concerning deck dulding/playing. This should (in my opinion) take place at the different gatherings.

I hope this clarifies abit.
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#9894 10 Sep 2011 16:28
Ok.
If you do come up with anything to take away from the discussion, like a PowerPoint or essay, I'd be happy to host it.

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#9897 10 Sep 2011 16:42
Ofcourse! If anyone is willing to film it, it could go on to youtube.
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#9898 10 Sep 2011 17:12
You should probably do a bit on R&D. Quirky design and unexpected submetas don't appear unless you're willing to "not play to win" at times. In this context i refer to "play to win" as in maximising your chances in the metagame, not the tournament rule.

To quote David Sirlin:
"Playing to win and playing to learn are often at odds. If you play the game at hand to maximize you chances of winning, then you won’t take the unnecessary risks of trying out new tactics, counters, moves, patterns, or whatever. Playing it straight is the best way to win the game at hand, but at the cost of valuable information about the game that you may need later, and valuable practice to expand your narrow repertoire of moves or tactics."

Read some of his "play to win" articles at www.sirlin.net/articles/

Heavy experimentation in VTES is at odds with polishing new ideas, it's a problem I've experienced alot in Stockholm in particular.
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#9899 10 Sep 2011 17:32
The "good deck vs. creating new deck dilema" is one of the thing I'll talk about!
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