Correct answer from prestonp.

ReverendRevolver wrote:


Strike resolution comes before damage handling, so non-damage effects go first. (This is why, for example, 'steal blood' effects move counters before damage is handled.)

The opponent takes the Coma in the face, wounding them.

The opponent then handles the damage. Assuming Crows was at superior (2 damage) and the hand strike was for 1 damage:

The vampire is already wounded, so the first point of aggravated damage takes the blood on the vampire, burned to avoid destruction.

The second point of aggravated damage burns the vampire.

The third is overkill, since the vampire is now little bits of ash and bone on the floor.

The rule is, the first agg puts you in torpor, and then you have to burn blood to heal the damage.

The only reason 1 agg doesnt kill you is the rule is that first point puts you in torpor.

Gwydd bleeds with kindred spirits, gets blocked, playes dawn op. Opponent is at one blood. Gwydd plays crows, then comas, preventing thexopponents strike with fortitude.

Itll only ever happen with gwydd, hazimel, una, and maybe nostoket(if they dont decline to block, little dawn op...) but still could happen i guess.

The forma for burning outright is 2 or more agg at zero,

If both regular damage and aggravated damage are successfully inflicted on a vampire at the same time, the regular damage is handled first. This only applies to unprevented damage; damage prevention effects can be used to prevent the aggravated damage before the normal damage, if the player chooses. If a vampire is wounded, he goes to torpor after all the damage is handled (see Torpor, sec. 6.5). If aggravated damage burns him, he goes directly to the ash heap. He doesn't go through torpor first.

• Krid is ready and has 1 blood when he receives 1 point of aggravated damage. He cannot heal this damage, so he is wounded and goes to torpor with 1 blood.
• Milo is ready and has 2 blood when he receives 3 points of aggravated damage. He cannot heal any of it. He becomes wounded by 1 point, and so he must burn 2 blood to prevent destruction from the other 2 points (1 blood per point), leaving him empty and in torpor.
• Barth is ready and has 1 blood when he receives 2 regular damage and 1 aggravated damage. He burns 1 blood to heal the first point of normal damage. He doesn't have enough blood to heal the second point and becomes wounded. The aggravated damage burns him, since he already is wounded and cannot burn a blood to prevent his destruction.

how is it? my opponent had 1 blood and he got 2r from carrion crows and 1hs aggravated and said he dont burn.

Molloy wrote:


Oh, that's right. I just blithely assumed that since it's a combat card, and the reflex level uses an inferior discipline, and can be played in combat, then...

But no.

[LSJ 20060317]

LSJ wrote:

1.6.1.1: "The player completely declares the effect of the card when it is played."

Marakh wrote:


Con Boon, playable under Blood Trade. (And this was a change explicitly made during playtest - it's intentional that CB can be played.) [LSJ 20040602]

King's Favor - based on the ruling on Extremis Boon in that same post, yes. However, if the criteria are met that would mean it went into play after tallying, it doesn't go into play.

1. No, 1 blood cost is required to employ. Allies don't have blood.

Before you can attempt to block, you must be able to block the action.

6.2.2.1 "Who May Attempt to Block"
This is determined whether the action is directed or undirected. That's it.

If you can attempt to block, then you can play Open Dossier. Also note: Just because you can play Open Dossier, doesn't mean you can play other reaction cards because it doesn't say anything about "as if untapped."

Seems that either other "cancel XYZ as played" should become Reflexes (either in future designs OR retroactively on older cards)

Juggernaut1981 wrote:


Who on earth needs to ensure that a card should not be a reflex card? What is that even about? Is there some secretive government agency who'll come and lock cards up if they're in danger of accidentally becoming something else? Will the world end if a card that might or might not be implementable as a reflex card is implemented in a different way? The card works just fine as it is.

Actually my argument is:

Is the additional "cancel a strike" text of Charismatic enough to ensure that it should NOT be a reflex card? If that is enough, why is it enough?

@James:
Where is the difference between the Fae Contortion ability and the Charismatic Aura ability?

Other than maybe its scope on strikes but those will be 'aimed' at the minion playing the Charismatic Aura so the argument of 'empowering me means it shouldn't be a Reflex' has been neutralised by cardtexts.

@James:
Where is the difference between the Fae Contortion ability and the Charismatic Aura ability? Other than maybe its scope on strikes but those will be 'aimed' at the minion playing the Charismatic Aura so the argument of 'empowering me means it shouldn't be a Reflex' has been neutralised by cardtexts.

And anyway, the damage from TV doesn't need to be aggravated to help burning the opposing minion.

Also, on that score, shouldn't Charismatic Aura effectively be a reflex as well at it's "Cancel a grapple" text?

on topic:

Reflex is a different card type than Combat. I don't think SCS can use a Reflex.

> Can a Shadow Court Satyr with an Abombwe combat
> card (such as Invoking the Beast) put on him use the
> Reflex effect of the card?
...
Shadow Court Satyr can only use the combat-card effect.

However, if it was a genuine different card-type (i.e. like the multi-type cards of action mod/combat cards) then it would have two symbols on the left-hand side.

Also, on that score, shouldn't Charismatic Aura effectively be a reflex as well at it's "Cancel a grapple" text?