Pendargon wrote:


Well, the anarch revolt also can be removed, so if there is no other anarch deck, you need a lot of table talk to convince your cross table buddy not to help remove them. Going anarch became more advantageous if you play at least 2-3 anarch revolt AND the player in question does not fear having you as predator.

Of course, it's meta dependant. With the people I usually play with, I would not put much hope in the revolt staying on table

Izaak wrote:


1. Archon investigation is never pointless. In my experience, and your mileage may vary, i have always found it useful, if for nothing as a first discard. Makes people think twice

2. Contract is contract. A stance that it is bad because it is one pool is really wonky at best. I will rather pay one pool one time , then a blood each time for Steely tenacity. Also, minion with a contract stays down, usually. Good luck persuading people to cross-rescue you empty vampire with the contract on.

3. Ghoul retainer? Really? For 2 pool, in a deck that fights at long rage? And 1 pool for contract is a lot to you? You gotta be kidding me... Aranthebes is maybe questionable, as indeed Fatima can remove opposing aranthebes more easily. Blade Of enoch is very important, it stops terror frenzy, drawing out the beast and Rothsreck, you know, stuff that ruins my game. I choose it over sire's index finger because Fatima can equip it with its text. Loss is obviously, to destroy locations, equipments or opportune bleed. It basically doubles up as rush. Secure heaven, i go destroy it. Ankara? I go destroy that too. Heart of nichetus, i will try to loss it.

Also, most rushes are at +1 stealth, so chumpblocking is a smidgeon more difficult.

Asking what will i do if Fatima gets pentexed is a moot question. You can ask that for any superstar deck, and the answer is always the same - i will have a tough time. There is really no answer to this when playing a deck like this. I will try to remove it with my wee ones. I will try to talk to the table and offer rushes to the people that remove pentex... that kind of stuff. What will i do if my gun gets blown off??? I will equip another one, and cryingly pay 5 more pool... You can't win them all, Charlie Brown.

I will disagree with you Izaak about this deck's inability to win tables. I have seen Non-anarch versions of this win tables. I did not invent hot water here, it is an old concept. I just wanted to add some anarchy into it

Ohlmann wrote:


Yes, you are right. but political action is more difficult to do then D action against me.
I agree people will try to remove it, but it really considers what are my cross-table allies.
If they can go anarch, they will probably do so before removing my revolts. If not, and it is hurting them lots, they will remove it. Ideally, my prey will not be able to remove them, and if my predator uses an action to call a referendum to burn a revolt, it is not a bleed or some harmful politic that comes my way :-D.

If they stay on - great. If not, i think of it as a free misdirection, that did first one pool damage to my prey when i played it. You have to take all you can get...

It burns people with the Ivory Bow and can shoot with the Assault Rifle if you can't use it yourself.



At 1 copy in 80 cards and at no more stealth than the 1 from Swallowed by the Night this will not work for you with any sort of reliability. Maybe you should also include 1 copy of Vissicitude Poisoning?



It's alright for you to disagree. Whether or not the deck has won a table is really not important. I've seen totally retarded decks win tables and even tournaments because the stars aligned for them. The Fatima deck is old and wasn't really good when Cherryholmes championed it. We're a few years in the future, the game has evolved and not in a direction where multirush got better.

Superstar multirush is a flawed concept at its very core. Adding a 5 pool weapon and an anarch angle to it makes it worse, not better.

[quote="Izaak" post=28900]

Oh, okay, thank you for your very eloquent and inspired contribution to this thread. Since the game evolved to the more interesting concept of Mutliple ashur/ Master phase actions, girls and Nana Buruku yawnfest, i will go play that and be superefficient. Or I'll just go make another Malk kindred spirits deck.

On second thought... wait, i play assamites, i play with what i have, and in this case, it is Fatima.

Pendargon wrote:


You appear to have confused a comment that says "This particular deck-style is already quite tricky, and you're just making it even harder, so the end result really isn't very good at all" with "You must only play one of three superefficient decks."

+1 fame and +1 path of lillith, need to oust.

I dont think you need 2 for masters. 0-1.

giants blood? Good for you, less for others.

sires index finger. A must for weapon decks, especially ranged weapon decks.

Speaking of range, you seem light on maneuvers to me. maneuver girl retainer perhaps, or a pursuit package?

GL, i tried this archetype a while ago and got bored with it, never got it to work, much preferred my madame guil alastor version.

@ James : No, i am quite sure that i understood him quite well, thank you.

@ Talonz : Path of lilith might be a good idea. Also giants blood. But, it is all masters, and i have a lot of masters already. What to take out?

I think i am cool with maneuvers. Groundfightings and swalloweds are there, and sometimes it is also cool to shoot from close and prevent. Instead of sire's index finger, i have Blade of enoch. Same thing, except i can equip the blade with Fatima's special

Look, I too have a passion for the Assamites, being a long time Path of Blood forum member. And I've seen Jeff Kuta really play them artfully. But the issue is you are putting a lot of stress on Fatima where she already has a lot of work to do. The fastest way I've seen rush superstar decks fail is trying to overuse rush as both forward pressure and backwards defense. Related tangent, I really hate your smaller vampire support -- it doesn't relieve enough pressure from Fatima.

The advantage to Anarch Revolt is that, as mentioned above, doesn't encourage cross-table meddling as much as Smiling Jack et al, and that it gives a nice juicy target for focus fire. But your construction leaves your defenses so exposed that you are going to have trouble taking advantage of that juicy target.

Why do I not recommend so many contracts? Because you don't support it enough. There's not enough multiact, so you can't optimize the Clandestine Contract advantage of double rushing (in those case you don't have Psyche in hand). You don't have a Mylan, or CrimethINC (take a second look at THA version btw), or just more Freaks for multi-act support.

And I don't find self rescue a waste against you -- redunking with an action wastes your time. Unless you sport a Rutors, multiact is going to be your power projection limiter. And until you have an AR, Fame, Tension, or Dragonbound vice, I'm just not going to care about you. I'm either going to be crippled and furiously shoring up to deny you VPs or spamming tactics to delay you. Unless I'm cross-table, because then you're likely to cripple either my predator or prey, respectively. You're a cross-table boon! And even when your vice is up, the easiest way to deal with your combo (except for AR) is diablerie... and you have no votes. So, again, where's your Black Throne?

I want a real defense module. I want more bleed power. I want more actions to actually accomplish what you want to do here. I want your supporting crypt to, y'know, support you. I want more in the areas that keeps bringing these decks down.

But I like your Anarch Revolt idea. Something nasty could be wheedled out of this. You're playing anarch and your support crypt could be really interesting. Ventrue weenies as bleed, bounce and Ventrue Headquarters support -- VHQ + BT you can sport 5 votes against oh-so-clever diablerie. Tremere support gets you Magic of the Smith, Biothaum Exp, CrimethInc, bounce or bleed reduction support, etc. AUS vamp support creates an eww nasty firewall, and an AUS master can give Fatima a Pulse for bleeds. Heck, even all Assamite support with Loss, Nest of Eagles, Banner of Neutrality, and Foul Bloods are more helpful -- and all they'd have to do most of the time is sit there untapped.

We got that you like dunking with Fatima (it is fun, isn't it?). And you have a framework with her that has some history that it should work. Now take that part of the deck, set it aside, and work without her on how to keep this thing alive on the table long enough to accomplish what you want.

I Know you Azel :-D

I am playing almost exclusively assamites in the last 2 years, and path of blood has been a real inspiration for me. Sad to see it so quiet.

Truth be told, i am also not happy with my support crew, but here is a thing : I have been playing for the long time Thetmes rush deck with group 2 dom weenie support (Royce, ohanna, Samson, all the cool kids). They deflect, graverob and bleed with conditionings ,, cloaked and veiled by thetmes who first clears the path. I even won a 14 player tournament with it. So it is well known, and kind of maligned here, and i am trying to make something fresher.

Mylan is intentionally not in. 'Round here, he either dies to block first time he tries his thing, or is stolen one way or the other.

I know what chrimethinc does, in fact i use it copiously in another all assamite anarch rush deck with steely tenacities, and Parnassus as the main star (him being sorceror can play both tha and qui version of it).

In fact, i think you have given me a great idea. Small cap tremere support could be really good here. They could play crimethincs with Fatima, and also they could play magic of the smith for some cool equipment, like heart of cheating (to help my flow) and also maybe deflect...

But it all takes up deckspace, alas. I feel i cannot cut down on rushes, multiact and combat. and i would like to keep it at neat 80 cards. And somehow these days it seems all the good inclusions are mastercards, i swear, sometimes i feel like 30 mster slots is not enough for all the cool green cards i want to put next to my cool red cards

I will give this matter some thought